FAQs

FAQs 2017-08-14T18:12:18+00:00

Benefits FAQs

When travelling on business or vacation out of province/out of country and I have an emergency or accident, whom do I contact for assistance? 2017-08-18T17:58:13+00:00

Your Travel Medical Emergency insurance is fully insured via Great-West Life and coordinated with their affiliate, Global Medical Assistance. Coverage ceases when the insured Member attains age 70 or retirement, whichever occurs first. The Travel Medical Emergency insurance (policy #165013) requires that when you are traveling and an emergency or accident occurs, you must report the incident to Global Medical Assistance as soon as possible by calling in Canada and the U.S. at 1.800.527.0218; within the United Kingdom at 0.800.252.074, and finally from within Mexico at 001.800.101.0061. If you have any difficulty with any of the Toll Free numbers, call collect at 401.453.6330. Wallet cards are available at the Union Office or the Administrator (Coughlin office) with the relevant information for contact purposes.

Prior to travelling, if you or your eligible dependent(s) have a known medical condition, we encourage you to contact Coughlin & Associate Ltd. (Toll Free 1.888.204.1234) for clarification of coverage, as it may not be applicable subject to the circumstances associated with your medical condition.

The overall maximum for coverage is unlimited although certain treatment limits will apply. Please refer to the Extended Health Benefits section of the Member Benefit Plan Booklet for additional Details.

My dentist advised that to transmit a dental claim through the EDI system at the dental office I need a policy number and BIN number (may refer to carrier number). What are the numbers that are to be given to the dentist? 2017-08-05T18:47:07+00:00

Coughlin & Associates Ltd., the claims adjudicator, requires the following number to transmit a claim through the EDI system, please ask them to use the number 610105 (referred to as CDANET Carrier Identification Number also known as the BIN number (on the Telus network). Your unique personal Identification Number is your Social Insurance Number and the Policy Number of the Group Benefit Plan is 165013.

When I submit a claim through the EDI system at the dentist’s office will Coughlin & Associates Ltd., send the cheque directly to my dentist? 2017-08-05T18:46:25+00:00

Yes, Coughlin and Associates Ltd., will reimburse the dentist directly (via mail), provided you have assigned the benefits payable to the dentist. Furthermore, an explanation of benefits, reflecting the payment to the dentist will be forwarded to the member for their records and review.

Where can I get a health or dental claim form to send to Coughlin & Associates Ltd. or my drug card for automatic transaction at the pharmacy? 2017-08-05T18:45:35+00:00

You can contact the plan administrator/claims adjudicator (Coughlin & Associates Ltd.) at toll-free 1.888.204.1234 for a health or dental claim form, and for co-ordination of the drug card. Or visit the Coughlin website.

Why is my Prescription Pay Direct Drug Card not working? 2017-08-05T18:41:33+00:00

The most common reason for problems with your Drug Card is that the Pharmacist does not have your correct date of birth on the system or alternatively your name is spelled incorrectly on the system versus the name identified on the Prescription (i.e. typo error or as an example the name Bill being replaced by William). In order for the Drug Card to work at the Pharmacists’ office, the name on the card must match identically with name on the prescription. If you are having problems in this area, please contact Coughlin’s office in order for the matter to be corrected.

What happens to my Health & Welfare bank account if I become disabled? 2017-08-05T18:40:56+00:00

On disability (Workers Comp, Weekly Indemnity or EI Disability), the Member’s account will be frozen provided he or she has received benefits for at least two consecutive weeks in any month. Furthermore, the Hour Bank will be frozen for a maximum period of 37 consecutive weeks (9 months ) or if the Disabled Member is receiving WCB or auto insurance benefits to a maximum period of 12 consecutive weeks (3 months). All coverage ceases no later than age 70. It is important to notify the Plan Administrator’s office when you are off work due to disability, to enable your account to be frozen. As well, for applications to be made in relation to a Waiver of Life Insurance required at six (6) months of the date of initial disability.

How can I become covered again if my benefits were previously terminated? 2017-08-05T18:40:12+00:00

If your coverage has been previously terminated, you will again be covered on the first day of the month in which you have accumulated 390 hours in your Health & Welfare Hour Bank Account as per the initial eligibility requirements of the Plan.

How do I add or remove dependents? 2017-08-05T18:39:30+00:00

Please contact the Administrator’s office, Coughlin & Associates Ltd., in order that you may acquire the appropriate enrolment forms. Alternatively, you may download a Change Form from the Plan Administrator’s website by selecting the FORMS link at the top of the Home page (then selecting CHANGE FORM from the list of Winnipeg forms). Complete the form, print it off and sign it (any changes must be verified by the Plan Member’s signature) and mail it to the Plan Administrator’s address indicated on the Change Form.

How many hours are taken out of my Health & Welfare Hour Bank Account for 1 month of coverage? 2017-08-05T18:37:19+00:00

Each month, 130 hours will be deducted from your Health & Welfare Hour Bank Account to provide benefit coverage noting that you may accumulate a maximum Hour Bank Account of 780 hours, equivalent to 6 months coverage.

How do I get coverage on the Health & Welfare Benefit Plan? 2017-08-05T18:36:39+00:00

You must work for a signatory contactor who is making monthly contributions to the Local Union 739 Health & Welfare Trust Fund on your behalf. These contributions are recorded in your Health & Welfare Hour Bank.

What if I am Out of Province/Out of Country for more than 90 days? 2017-08-18T18:05:12+00:00

If you will be out of country for longer than 90 days, you can purchase an individual policy through Co-operators Life to cover the additional days outside the country. Please call and let Co-operators Life know that you are looking to purchase an individual policy to cover you once your Group Out of Country benefits end. Download the Maximum Benefit Travel Health booklet on this page.

Does our coverage include Emergency Medical Travel Assistance? 2017-08-02T17:27:47+00:00

For Members covered under Class 1 or Class 2, you and your eligible dependents are covered under the Johnston Group Inc. Emergency Out of Province/Out of Country Group Policy for 90 days. Co-operators Life, through TIC, provides all emergency medical assistance services.

What information do I need to provide to my dentist so my dental claim can be submitted electronically? 2017-08-02T17:27:03+00:00

Your dentist will need your Firm/Division Number, Certificate Number and CDA Net: Carrier #627223 which can be found on the wallet card located at the bottom of your Certificate of Insurance.

How can I order a replacement Certificate of Insurance or Telus Assure Prescription Drug Card? 2017-08-02T17:26:02+00:00

Please notify FAS immediately if your Certificate of Insurance or Telus Assure Prescription Drug Card has been lost or stolen.

Where can I find my Firm/Division Number and Certificate Number? 2017-08-02T17:25:09+00:00

You can find your Firm/Division Number and Certificate Number on the Certificate of Insurance that was mailed to you when you became covered under the plan.

When am I eligible for my next pair of new glasses under my Vision benefit? 2017-08-03T15:50:41+00:00

You must contact the Maximum Benefit Claims Department at 1-800-893-7587. You must provide your Firm/Division Number and Certificate Number to obtain any information.

What is the Prior Authorization Drug Program? 2017-08-03T15:51:26+00:00

The Prior Authorization Drug Program applies to a small number of drugs for which prior approval is required before being covered by the plan. For a drug to be approved for coverage, the member and doctor will need to complete a PA kit providing some medical information. PA kits are obtained by calling RESOLVE at .

Is a particular drug covered under my plan? 2017-08-16T16:36:27+00:00

All drugs must be investigated to verify benefits. Please contact the Maximum Benefit Claims Department at 1-800-893-7587 and include your Firm/Division Number, Certificate Number, the name of the drug and the Drug Identification Number (DIN). You can email this information to info@fasadmin.com or fax to 1-866-878-0951.

Why is my Prescription Drug Card not working? 2017-08-02T17:13:09+00:00

The most common reason for problems with your drug card is that the pharmacist does not have your correct date of birth on system. Please verify with them that they are keying in your correct date of birth, and whether you are the employee or spouse.

How do I submit a Prescription Drug claim? 2017-08-15T16:20:42+00:00

Your Telus-Assure Prescription Drug Card should be presented to the pharmacy when making all prescription drug purchases. If a prescription was purchased without using the pay-direct drug card, you will need to submit your original receipts to TELUS Health Solutions on the Employee Reimbursement Form for Drug Claims

What happens to my Health & Welfare Hour Bank account if I become disabled? 2017-08-02T17:11:20+00:00

No deductions will be made from your Health & Welfare Hour Bank account in any calendar month while you are disabled and in receipt of Workers’ Compensation Benefits (WCB), Employment Insurance Sickness Benefits (EI) or Short-Term Disability Benefits (STD) through the IUPAT Local 177 Welfare Trust Fund. The maximum period a Health & Welfare Hour Bank account may be frozen for is six (6) months.

What happens to my benefits while I attend required schooling (Apprenticeship Programs)? 2017-08-02T17:10:11+00:00

Coverage will be maintained while a member is attending required schooling. No deductions will be made from the Health & Welfare Hour Bank account during this period. You must notify FAS in writing of your required attendance at school and provide the necessary proof of attendance in order to qualify for this extension of coverage.

How can I become covered again if my benefits were previously terminated? 2017-08-02T17:09:41+00:00

If your coverage has previously terminated, you will again be covered on the first day of the second month in which you have accumulated 200 hours in your Health & Welfare Hour Bank account, provided your period of termination did not exceed six (6) months. If you were not covered through the Plan for more than six (6) months, you must meet the initial eligibility rule of 300 hours prior to becoming eligible for coverage.

How do I add or remove dependents? 2017-08-02T17:09:00+00:00

The best thing to do is to contact FAS and tell them who you would like to add or remove. FAS will provide you with instructions and the Maximum Benefit Notice of Change Form which will need to be completed and returned to FAS for processing.

How many hours are taken from my Health & Welfare Hour Bank account for one (1) month of coverage? 2017-08-02T17:08:22+00:00

Each month, 100 hours will be deducted from your Health & Welfare Hour Bank account to provide benefit coverage.

When will my coverage begin? 2017-08-02T17:07:38+00:00

You and your eligible dependents will become covered on the first day of the second month following accumulation of 300 hours in your Health & Welfare Hour Bank account and the Maximum Benefit Group Enrolment Form has been completed and returned to the Edmonton Office. You must be a member in good standing with IUPAT Local 177 to be eligible to participate in the Health & Welfare Plan.

How do I get coverage under the Health & Welfare Benefit Plan? 2017-08-02T17:07:00+00:00

You must work for a signatory contractor who will make monthly contributions to the IUPAT Local 177 Welfare Trust Fund on your behalf. These contributions are recorded in your Health & Welfare Hour Bank account.

How will I know what my benefits are? 2017-07-27T13:46:05+00:00

You should receive an annual pension statement in approximately June of each year that will detail your hours and service and provide your status with the Plan. If you do not receive an annual pension statement, please check with the Fund Administrator to ensure the address they have on file is correct.

Do these pension benefits affect the Canada Pension Plan? 2017-07-27T13:45:27+00:00

No, the benefits payable from the pension plan are in addition to any benefits you may receive from the Canada Pension Plan, and will have no impact on what you will receive from Canada Pension Plan.

Can I sign over my benefits? 2017-07-27T13:44:24+00:00

No, The pension plan contains provisions prohibiting any assignment, sale or attachment of this pension benefit. It cannot be used as security for a loan. In the two circumstances noted below, a Court Order or Matrimonial Property Order or Agreement may be issued to assign or attach your pension entitlement. The Employment Pension Plans Act contains specific rules for dividing pensions on marriage breakdown. The Act gives the spouse the right to have his or her share of the Member’s pension entitlement (which cannot exceed 50% of the entitlement earned during the period of marriage) transferred out of the pension plan at the time of a marriage breakdown. You should consult a lawyer about your rights and responsibilities int eh event of a marriage breakdown. The Maintenance Enforcement Act contains provisions that provide for the potential attachment of an individual’s entitlement if they have unpaid child maintenance payments.

Must I retire at age 65? 2017-07-27T13:42:30+00:00

No, retirement is completely voluntary. You may continue to work after age 65, however, your pension by law must start no later than December 1st of the year in which you have your 71st birthday. If you work past age 71, you will not earn any additional pension service.

Will proof of age be required? 2017-07-27T13:41:49+00:00

Yes, all applications require an acceptable form of proof of age in accordance with standards established by the Trustees.

When should the application for pension be filed? 2017-07-31T09:27:32+00:00

Your application must be filed with the Fund Administrator at least one month in advance of your expected retirement date, but no more than three months in advance. For assistance please contact the FAS Call Centre 780.452.5161, 800.770.2998.

How are the pension benefits paid? 2017-07-27T13:39:56+00:00

The pension payments are payable on the first of each month by direct deposit into your bank account.

When will my pension benefits begin? 2017-07-27T13:39:03+00:00

The normal retirement pension begins the later of the month you reach age 65 or the month following the date you last worked. The early retirement pension begins the later of the month following the month you reach age 53, the month following receipt of your written application or the month following the date you last worked.

Does This Plan Offer a Disability Pension? 2017-07-27T13:37:39+00:00

A disability pension is not one of the provisions in the Plan. If a member is totally disabled, a member of the union and in receipt of disability benefits from the Canada Pension Plan, he may be eligible to accumulate additional service credits up to a maximum of 350 hours per calendar year.

When am I vested under the Plan? 2017-07-27T12:58:53+00:00

Effective September 1, 2014, you are immediately Vested once you meet the conditions to join the Plan. Once you are Vested, you will remain entitled to a pension whether or not you remain working.

What happens if I am diagnosed with a terminal illness? 2017-07-27T12:59:33+00:00

If a Member, who has yet to retire, has an illness or a disability that is certified by a medical practitioner to be terminal or to likely shorten the Member’s life considerably, that Member may elect to convert all or part of their benefit entitlement to a series of payments for a fixed term to that Member. Alternatively, such Member may elect to withdraw as a lump sum an amount equal to the Commuted Value of the benefit.

Training FAQs

What is SSPC C1, when is it offered, and how do I register? 2017-08-09T16:43:49+00:00

Description: C1 provides a comprehensive overview of the protective coatings industry. Broader themed than inspection courses (e.g., NACE CIP), it is an ideal introduction to or refresher for reviewing the fundamentals of corrosion and the use of coatings as a protective mechanism against corrosion and deterioration of marine and industrial structures.
Length: 40 hours classroom (can be broken up over a couple weekends) with 100 question exam
Who should attend: in DC 17’s opinion, ALL Industrial Paint members should take C1 at some point.
Instructor: Chris Hooter, IUPAT DC 17 Director of Training is an SSPC lead instructor for C1.
For more information: contact IUPAT DC 17 Director of Training, Chris Hooter, 204.943.2497 or chrishooter@dc17.ca.

What is SSPC C3, when is it offered, and how do I register? 2017-08-16T11:36:55+00:00

Description: C3 contains specific discussions on protecting workers, compliance with environmental regulations, proper management of waste streams and operations that result in potential exposures to lead and other hazards, and associated control technology. It includes background information on the hazards of lead and other toxic metals (e.g., arsenic) as well as a review of the current legal and regulatory issues. The course also addresses developing programs to effectively control risks to workers, the public, and the environment
Length: 32 hours classroom with 100 question exam
Who should attend: supervisors involved in hazardous paint removal projects.
Instructor: Chris Hooter, IUPAT DC 17 Director of Training is an SSPC lead instructor for C3
For more information: contact IUPAT DC 17 Director of Training, Chris Hooter, 204.943.2497 or chrishooter@dc17.ca.

What is SSPC C5, when is it offered, and how do I register? 2017-08-16T11:41:17+00:00

Description: annually (after C3) for QP2 Contractors, biannually otherwise. One day review of C3
Length: 8 hour classroom with 25 question exam
Who should attend: same as C3
Instructor: Chris Hooter, IUPAT DC 17 Director of Training is an SSPC lead instructor for C5
For more information: contact IUPAT DC 17 Director of Training, Chris Hooter, 204.943.2497 or chrishooter@dc17.ca.

What is SSPC C2, when is it offered, and how do I register? 2017-08-18T18:20:35+00:00

Description: C2 is not an introductory course. Designed for supervisors and seasoned tradesmen with a solid understanding of coating fundamentals, C2 provides an overview of the principles of planning, awarding, and monitoring the quality of new construction or maintenance painting projects. After completing this training program, students will be familiar with tools to develop effective coating projects and play a more active role in managing painting projects to successful completion.
Length: 40 hours classroom (can be broken up over a couple weekends) with 100 question exam
Who should attend: seasoned industrial painters in supervisory positions
Instructor: Chris Hooter, IUPAT DC 17 Director of Training is an SSPC lead instructor for C2
For more information: contact IUPAT DC 17 Director of Training, Chris Hooter, 204.943.2497 or chrishooter@dc17.ca.

What is SSPC Plural, when is it offered, and how do I register? 2017-08-09T18:38:04+00:00

Description: SSPC Plural Component Application for Polyureas and High Solid Coatings is a new SSPC training program. The two previous offerings of this course in DC 17 [April 2017 in Edmonton and Saskatoon] were the 1st offerings in the entire IUPAT. Additionally, these were only the 6th or  7th times the courses had ever been offered by SSPC. So, it’s new to the SSPC cue, and probably needs some tweaks. Still, it has some fantastic information re plural equipment and spray; the only other similar program (SSPC C14) focuses exclusively on manifold mix plural spray. But this course dives into both manifold mix (i.e., high solids coatings) and gun mix (i.e., polyurea) plural gear. There is nothing else offered like it out there.

Length: week – two day classroom (w/ written exam), followed by 1 day review of both plural rigs and then practicals on both plural units

Who should attend: seasoned industrial painters in with previous experience (800 hours) on plural equipment.

Enrollment: very limited; 8 max

For more information: contact IUPAT DC 17 Director of Training, Chris Hooter, 204.943.2497, chrishooter@dc17.ca

I need to arrange training. Whom do I contact? 2017-08-05T18:27:58+00:00

For all District Council 17 training related questions, or to schedule or request training, contact Chris Hooter, IUPAT DC 17 Director of Training, 204.943.2497 or chrishooter@dc17.ca.

Is DC 17 Training posted on website calendar? 2017-08-05T18:27:20+00:00

Yes. Calendar is routinely updated to reflect upcoming DC training events. However, contact 204.943.2497 or chrishooter@dc17.ca to confirm your enrollment. If you don’t confirm enrollment, the schedule could later shift to accommodate other training demands.

Where are the existing DC 17 Training Centres? 2017-08-05T18:26:24+00:00
  • L177EDM: 17804 118 Ave NW, Edmonton AB T5S2W3, 780.484.8645
  • L739SK: 101A – 135 Robin Crescent, Saskatoon SK S7L6M3, 306.244.6184
  • L739MB: 168 Higgins Ave, Winnipeg MB R3B0B8, 204.943.2497
What training does the Hall provide? 2017-08-05T18:29:39+00:00

See website links for health and safety training, skills training, and supervisor training. The courses and (when necessary) applicable descriptions are listed there

OSSA FP / CSEM / EWP: Do we offer OSSA Training at the Hall now? 2017-08-05T18:24:41+00:00

YES. Mike Iftody and Chris Hooter are both OSSA instructors (Fall Pro, CSEM, EWP)

  • L177EDM: In general, OSSA training is offered ~weekly in Edmonton; check calendar
  • L739SK: OSSA training is offered as required in Saskatoon; check calendar
  • L739MB: OSSA training is offered as required in Winnipeg; check calendar

To request / enroll, contact 204.943.2497 or chrishooter@dc17.ca

OSSA FP / CSEM / EWP: I’m a 177 member, who doesn’t live in Alberta, and most of the time doesn’t work in Alberta; how do I get my OSSA Training? 2017-08-15T22:32:10+00:00

Contact 204.943.2497 or chrishooter@dc17.ca to enroll for in-house OSSA offerings @ L177EDM (or L739SK) in route to dispatch site
Background: L177 has some non-Alberta resident members who maintain their membership for occasional shutdown work. 11+ months / year they are working ‘back home’, out-of-province. These members are welcome to do this. However, with so few man-hours worked in Alberta, their training contributions are simply insufficient to justify the costs for outsourcing for a month shutdown.

OSSA FP / CSEM / EWP: I’m a 177 member who lives in Alberta, works in Alberta, but doesn’t live in the Edmonton area … How do I get my OSSA training? 2017-08-05T18:22:40+00:00

Out-sourcing is probably the answer here. Contact 204.943.2497 or chrishooter@dc17.ca.

I require other (non-OSSA) Health & Safety Training (e.g., H2S). Who do I contact? 2017-08-05T18:21:50+00:00
I’m a 739 member. I require some health & safety training. What do I do? 2017-08-05T18:21:09+00:00
What is United Academy’s CORE 4, and how do I enroll? 2017-08-05T18:20:27+00:00

United Academy is the training arm of United Rentals
United Academy’s CORE 4 consists of Boom Lift, Scissor Lift, Forklift, and Class VII Forklift (e.g., Telehandler or ZoomBoom). The IUPAT and United Academy signed an agreement whereby we can certify trainers for their programs. Corey Bollivar (Calgary), Rodger Watson (Saskatoon), and Mike Iftody (Edmonton) are DC 17 CORE 4 United Academy Instructors. For members that don’t need OSSA EWP, this program will help us immensely
To enroll, contact 204.943.2497 or chrishooter@dc17.ca. Chris enrolls you in the CORE 4 course[s] of interest. You must have a unique email to be enrolled. You will receive emailed link, userid, and password for the online theory training modules.
After you complete these theory modules, you must schedule a practical. Contact Chris again at that point, and he’ll coordinate. If we can’t organise a practical w/ Corey, Rodger, or Mike, we will contact United and find a convenient time / place for you to meet with a United Rental’s instructor for your equipment practical[s].

What is United Academy’s Fall Pro, and how do I enroll? 2017-08-05T18:19:46+00:00

Similar to CORE 4, this is United Rental’s Fall Protection. The Canadian rollout has been slow compared to the USA rollout, as United must tailor their program to the specifics of each province. So, this program isn’t quite ready yet. But it will be …
The process is virtually identical to CORE 4. Contact 204.943.2497 or chrishooter@dc17.ca, and you’ll receive a link, userid, and password for online theory training modules. After you complete these modules, you must schedule a practical. Call Chris again at that point, and he’ll coordinate.
Corey Bollivar (Calgary) & Rodger Watson (Edmonton) are DC 17 Fall Pro United Academy instructors. If we can’t coordinate a practical w/ Corey or Rodger, we will contact United and find a convenient time / place for you to meet with a United Rental’s instructor for your Fall Pro practical.

What is “CAS”? 2017-08-05T18:19:04+00:00

The Coating Applicator Specialist (aka, CAS) certification is a written and practical (blast & spray) exam by SSPC designating one to have met the minimum knowledge and skillset requirements for an Industrial Coating Applicator as described in the Joint Standard SSPC ACS 1 / NACE No. 13 Industrial Coating and Lining Application Specialist Qualification and Certification.
CAS certification is requested by more and more industrial site owners as an Applicator Certification in much the same way as NACE CIP is for coating inspection certification.

My CAS Certification says “Interim Level 2”. What does that mean? 2017-08-05T18:18:18+00:00

SSPC actually has two levels of CAS – Level 1 and Level 2. Level 1 is for the inexperienced / new hires. DC 17 isn’t against Level 1, but its value is limited. CAS “Level 2” is the CAS of interest. So, when we say “CAS”, we mean SSPC CAS Level 2. This is the applicator certification that owners are interested in.
“Interim” refers to SSPC’s rollout and implementation of their CAS program; recall, CAS (Level 2) is SSPC’s written and practical exam effort to test the minimum requirements for applicators as described in the Joint Standard SSPC ACS 1 / NACE No. 13. There is nothing inadequate about “interim” certification.
New “interim” certifications will likely phase out in 2020. In which case, all [new] CAS Level 2 certifications will be “full”. The CAS Level 2 Full written exam is a bit more difficult, covering a broader range of themes (e.g., thermal spray, electrostatic spray). The practical is unchanged.

My CAS Certification has a 3 year expiry. How do I recertify CAS? 2017-08-05T18:17:36+00:00

If you have your “CAS” now, you have CAS Level 2 Interim
You can recertify CAS Level 2 Interim once. To recertify CAS Level 2 Interim, you need 36 hours of industry related training over a 3 year period. SSPC is very reasonable concerning what training they accept. For example, a two day Standard First Aid (16 hours), and you’re almost halfway there.
OSSA Fall Pro? … Yeah, that counts!
H2S? … Yup, there’s another 8 hours!
So just by staying up to date on your safety training, over a 3 year period, you’re very close to meeting the hours for interim recertification.
If you take an SSPC or NACE course in that same period, you’re easily approaching (or comfortably over) the 36 hour threshold.
As mentioned, you can only recertify CAS Interim once. After that, recertification consists of writing the FULL written exam (written only, not the [same] practical). We still have a couple years before anyone is affected here. Cross that bridge as we approach.

177 Members: CAS, JIP, [Industrial] Journeymen Upgrade … what’s the link between these? 2017-08-05T18:16:52+00:00

Before IUPAT and SSPC negotiated their original agreement, L177 developed the Journeyman Industrial Painter (JIP) program (aka, Gold Seal). Although not quite mirror images, the 177 JIP was modeled off SSPC CAS (uses the same CAS panel, etc.)
As a result, if you have your CAS Level 2 Certification, 177 members do not need to retake the JIP practical. Assuming you have the [verifiable industrial] hours, if you have CAS, all you need to do is write the JIP. If successful, you will be issued your JIP and dispatched as a Journeyman
For more information, contact 204.943.2497 or chrishooter@dc17.ca.

177 Members: if I don’t have CAS, can I still challenge the JIP Exam? 2017-08-05T18:16:10+00:00

Yes, but …
For Edmonton locals: the preferred path for your JIP Practical is get your SSPC CAS certification first; this is going to help you on-site (site owners aren’t concerned with JIP [an internal union program]; they want to see a CAS certification from SSPC); after CAS certification, apply to write the JIP
For non-Edmonton locals (e.g., Ft McMurray residents): CAS opportunities outside of Edmonton and Saskatoon are obviously limited. Out-of-towners who desire to take the full JIP (w/o CAS) – that is the written and the JIP practical – can schedule ahead of time.
In either case, contact 204.943.2497 or chrishooter@dc17.ca for more information.

739 Members: CAS, Journeymen Upgrade … what’s the link? 2017-08-05T18:15:31+00:00

For 739 members, it’s more straightforward. If you have 6000 [verifiable] hours in industrial painting and your CAS Level 2 certification, you will be dispatched at Journeyman status.
Note: SSPC is a bit slow grading things, and then they send it to the International in Maryland, who then finally sends it to DC 17. Well, in that 6 or 8 or 10 week lag, a lot can happen. For example, contractors could easily have billed you out in that intervening period at your [then current] non-JM rate, making your new dispatch rate difficult to fairly retroactively apply ~2 months later when DC17 finally received your CAS certificate. Therefore, DC17 tries to work with the individuals and the signatory contractors to come up with a fair dispatch date for your new JM rate.
So, just be aware, the dispatch date may not be the date you took CAS, nor the date on your CAS certificate.

I wish to challenge my Red Seal? Does the Hall provide prep or training for this? 2017-08-18T19:20:50+00:00

Yes. Starting this off-season, DC 17 will offer Red Seal Painter & Decorator JM Upgrade classes in Saskatchewan [Why SK? … Because SK doesn’t locally offer a provincial Red Seal Painter & Decorator training, while Manitoba and Alberta both do].

Who can enroll in CAS [Level 2]? 2017-08-05T18:14:09+00:00

DC 17 industrial painting members (or reciprocals working in our footprint) with at least 6000 verifiable hours in industrial coatings can challenge the CAS exam.

Are non-union hours considered verifiable hours for CAS, JIP, etc.? 2017-08-05T18:13:33+00:00

When evaluating non-union hours, things considered are whether you were truly mentored in that time, what tasks did you perform, what skills did you learn, the reputation of the employer, etc.
Additionally, these hours must be somehow documented – pay stubs, letter from previous employer, etc.

Where is CAS offered? 2017-08-05T18:12:49+00:00

DC 17 offers two (2) CAS exams annually. One in Edmonton, the other in Saskatoon. DC 17 members can take it in either place.
If we have a third (e.g., Ft McMurray), because we don’t have training centre there, would need the cooperation of a local contractor to host.

When is CAS? 2017-08-05T18:12:07+00:00

There are only so many union CAS proctors to go around, and we are just one DC amongst many in North America – and we need TWO (2) CAS’s in any given year (Edmonton & Saskatoon). For the last couple years, it’s been February, and February works pretty well on our end. But in reality, it could just as easily be December or March. As the off-season approaches, dates will be requested. Check Calendar for updates.

How do I enroll in CAS? 2017-08-05T18:11:21+00:00

Contact 204.943.2497 or chrishooter@dc17.ca for CAS Application
Maximum class size is ~24. Whoever gets their CAS applications in first will be given priority.

What about CAS Prep? How does that work? 2017-08-05T18:10:34+00:00

SSPC CAS consists of a written and blast & spray practical.
For written prep, there are a few options. 1st, you should take SSPC C1. There is no better prep for the CAS written than SSPC C1 Fundamentals of Protective Coatings (offered annually in Edmonton and Saskatoon, intentionally prior to CAS)
And / or else, I try to offer study sessions week prior to, or at least weekend prior to, the CAS exam. In 2016, I offered half day prep for 4-5 days prior to the CAS week. In Saskatoon, we did these in the evenings (for guys working), and that model worked out well. If schedule allows, will repeat in 2017/18 offseason. Else, we’ll do something weekend prior to.
Additionally, there are on-line CAS prep materials which will be made available.
For the practical: you’re taking an applicator test for blasting and spray; you either know how to blast and spray, or you don’t. However, in the prep classes, we will review the CAS panel and discuss ‘strategy’ for the practical.

I missed the recent DC 17 CAS, but there is a public one offered nearby. Will the Hall pay for that? 2017-08-05T18:09:35+00:00

No. Our IUPAT – SSPC agreement does not apply to public offerings, only private offerings with internal IUPAT SSPC instructors and proctors (which gives us our big per capita discount). You can take a public offering, and that certification would clearly count, but the Hall isn’t reimbursing for it.

I took NACE CIP, or I intend to take CIP. Does the Hall cover my NACE CIP costs? 2017-08-05T18:07:57+00:00

No. IUPAT does not have an agreement with NACE like the one we do with SSPC.
The IUPAT paid for a NACE CIP 1 & 2 in Edmonton in January 2017. But that was for all Canadian district councils – not just DC 17 – and was likely a one-off.
In our agreement with SSPC, when an SSPC course is taught by an ‘internal’ IUPAT certified SSPC instructor, SSPC offers a substantial tuition reduction per head. After all, SSPC isn’t providing the instructor, IUPAT is. SSPC has similar agreements with GPI, KTA Tator, etc. To the point, it is my understanding that NACE doesn’t enter into similar agreements.

What’s the difference between NACE & SSPC? 2017-08-05T18:07:12+00:00

NACE International, formerly the National Association of Corrosion Engineers, was established by a group of engineers for the petroleum industry. NACE is headquartered in Houston.
SSPC, the Society of Protective Coatings (formerly the Steel Structures Painting Council), headquartered in Pittsburgh, formed after NACE and focused on structural steel.
NACE was pipeline engineers and SSPC was bridge tradesmen. Even today, you get a different ‘vibe’ at a NACE Conference vs an SSPC Conference. But truly, the lines have blurred. Many of the standards we use are now Joint NACE – SSPC standards (e.g., NACE No. 1 / SSPC SP 5 White Metal Blast). Indeed, the two organizations almost combined some years ago, but the deal collapsed at the last minute.
From a trades perspective, SSPC has better training programs for applicator knowledge and hands-on skills, while NACE has marketed their Coating Inspector Program extraordinarily well. But even there, SSPC has a good inspector program, and NACE is considering its own version of CAS.
In North America, a good industrial tradesmen must be familiar with both organizations.

177 used to out-source all Training. Now you try to steer me in-house. Why the change? 2017-08-05T18:06:29+00:00

The purpose of a training department is to train, not make a phone call to out-source everything. But more to the point, consider just a couple real challenges for our Hall, and how effective training addresses such.
Oil peaked @ $156USD / bbl in June 2008; today, $50 / bbl seems the new norm. Potash peaked @ almost $900USD / MT in later 2008; today, it’s $200 / MT. In this era of low commodity pricing, the consequences of a mining centric district like ours are enormous. There just aren’t going to be all those mega Oil Sand, Potash, or Uranium construction mining projects on the horizon as we’ve become accustomed to in the past. So, to help our members meet these economic realities, we must become more efficient as workers, pivot from construction to maintenance, and expand to other markets. To meet this challenge, training is essential!
Meanwhile, the Baby-Boomers are about to retire. We need to replace those seasoned workers with a younger, more diverse, highly skilled workforce. You are not going to attract younger generations to a trade – any trade – w/o offering an aura of professionalism and legitimacy … and effective training – safety, skills, and supervisory – is central to that effort!
So, going forward, our members must [really] be more knowledgeable, [really] more skilled, [really] safer, and [really] more professional craftspeople than our less expensive non-union competition if we are going to thrive as a Hall in the future. I am not exaggerating when I say: Training [really] is the foundation for the future of this Hall.

What are the tangible benefits of training … for contractors? 2017-08-05T18:05:40+00:00

For signatory contractors, successful training means a better, more efficient workforce, with a ‘positive vibe’, less rework, and ultimately enabling your company to be more profitable.

What are the tangible benefits of training … for DC 17 members? 2017-08-05T18:01:28+00:00

To members, successful training means growing your membership, building pride in your union, in your profession, and forging a greater confidence in yourself and your brother and sister coworkers on the job-site.
To organizing, effective training is the tantalizing carrot that all, even the non-union, so crave, even if they previously didn’t want to pay for it. If training can woo them in, that means more members, more man-hours, a more sustainable pension fund, an adequately funded health and welfare fund, and just a better atmosphere all around.

What are the challenges for DC 17 Training Department? 2017-08-15T22:41:47+00:00

Well, just to suggest a couple …
Geography for one – including the two [2] territories, our district footprint is almost half the size of all of Europe! There are our existing training centres in Edmonton, Saskatoon, and Winnipeg … but what of Ft McMurray? Calgary? Regina? Or the immense areas in between? Do you parachute instructors in, or do you hire local guy[s]? And how do you finance all this? Well, the Director of Training is the union’s lead administrator for the Training Trust. With the diligent help of Debbie Rasmussen and Dale Bowes, DC 17 has refined and improved the tracking of training monies with more formal accounting practices. Training Finances are presented to and reviewed by Training Trustees (4 from Management, 4 from Labour] semi-annually.
And other Allied Trades – although Industrial Paint dominates L177 and a large plurality of L739 membership – have needs that the training department must address as well.
For example, there are many more Glazier and Glass Shop / Manufacturing Worker DC 17 members in Manitoba than painters. Yes, Glass pays the bills in Manitoba.
And Regina – yes Regina, not Calgary, not Edmonton, not Winnipeg – has by far the largest commercial painting contractor in DC 17 (Deco Interiors).
These brothers and sisters don’t necessarily serve the same markets as our industrial painters, but their issues are no less important. And diversity of our trades – all our district trades – is another important paradigm in securing the future success of this Hall.

I need to arrange training. Whom do I contact? 2017-08-05T17:58:45+00:00

For all District Council 17 training related questions, or to schedule or request training, contact Chris Hooter, IUPAT DC 17 Director of Training, 204.943.2497 or chrishooter@dc17.ca.

Is DC 17 Training posted on website calendar? 2017-08-05T17:54:58+00:00

Yes but …
Much of DC 17’s training calendar is dominated by Industrial Painting needs (e.g., OSSA, SSPC), which you don’t require.
Meanwhile, much of your commercial construction health and safety training can now be done on-line (e.g., United Academy). So, yours may not show on the website calendar. That doesn’t mean your needs aren’t being addressed. But because they are more on-line, they are being addressed individually, and so not posted on Calendar.

Where are the existing DC 17 Training Centres? 2017-08-08T11:18:01+00:00
  • L177EDM: 17804 118 Ave NW, Edmonton AB T5S2W3, 780.484.8645
  • L739SK: 101A – 135 Robin Crescent, Saskatoon SK S7L6M3, 306.244.6184
  • L739MB: 168 Higgins Ave, Winnipeg MB R3B0B8, 204.943.2497
What training does the Hall provide? 2017-08-05T17:53:04+00:00

See website links for health and safety training, skills training, and supervisor training. The courses and (when necessary) applicable descriptions are listed there
Note: the OSSA Health & Safety Training, much of the Skills Training, and some of the Supervisory training is unique to Industrial Painters.

For members in Commercial Construction Markets … How do I get my training? 2017-08-05T17:52:19+00:00

For members in commercial markets, particularly in Calgary, Winnipeg and Regina – glaziers, commercial painting, etc. – much of your training can now be done on-line, or at least some combination on-line + practical.
If you require Boom Lift, Scissor Lift, Forklift or Telehandler, we will probably enroll you in United Academy’s CORE 4. That is a combination of on-line theory modules and hands-on practical.
If you require Fall Protection, we will likewise enroll you in United Academy’s Fall Pro. Same idea. Online + practical. The United Academy process is described below.

What is United Academy’s CORE 4, and how do I enroll? 2017-08-05T17:51:30+00:00

United Academy is the training arm of United Rentals.
United Academy’s CORE 4 consists of Boom Lift, Scissor Lift, Forklift, and Class VII Forklift (e.g., Telehandler or ZoomBoom). The IUPAT and United Academy signed an agreement whereby we can certify trainers for their programs. Corey Bollivar (Calgary), Rodger Watson (Saskatoon), and Mike Iftody (Edmonton) are DC 17 CORE 4 United Academy Instructors.
To enroll, contact Chris, 204.943.2497 or chrishooter@dc17.ca. Chris enrolls you in the CORE 4 course[s] of interest. You must have a unique email to be enrolled. You will receive emailed link, userid, and password for the online theory training modules.
After you complete these theory modules, you must schedule a practical. Contact Chris again at that point, and he’ll coordinate. If we can’t organise a practical w/ Corey, Rodger, or Mike, we will contact United and find a convenient time / place for you to meet with a United Rental’s instructor for your equipment practical[s].

What is United Academy’s Fall Pro, and how do I enroll? 2017-08-05T17:50:19+00:00

Similar to CORE 4, this is United Rental’s Fall Protection. The Canadian rollout has been slow compared to the USA rollout, as United must tailor their program to the specifics of each province. So, this program isn’t quite ready yet. But it will be …
The process is virtually identical to CORE 4. Contact Chris, 204.943.2497 or chrishooter@dc17.ca and you’ll receive a link, userid, and password for online theory training modules. After you complete these modules, you must schedule a practical. Call Chris again at that point, and he’ll coordinate.
Corey Bollivar (Calgary) & Rodger Watson (Edmonton) are DC 17 Fall Pro United Academy instructors. If we can’t coordinate a practical w/ Corey or Rodger, we will contact United and find a convenient time / place for you to meet with a United Rental’s instructor for your Fall Pro practical.

L177 member, just completed Apprenticeship Level Training at NAIT / SAIT. How do I get reimbursed for tuition? 2017-08-05T17:50:47+00:00

Once you successfully complete level training, and pass, you must submit the following to DC 17 for reimbursement:

  • Proof of Attendance Letter
  • Marks Received
  • Tuition Receipt (usually ~$780)

Send all that information to Chris, chrishooter@dc17.ca.. We’ll get your reimbursement in the cue for the next round of training trust cheques to be issued.

I wish to challenge my Red Seal? Does the Hall provide prep or training for this? 2017-08-05T17:33:33+00:00

Yes, for Commercial Painters.
Starting this off-season, DC 17 will offer Red Seal Painter & Decorator JM Upgrade classes in Saskatchewan[Why SK? … Because SK doesn’t have a provincial Red Seal Painter & Decorator program]

Career FAQs

Who will aid me in an Organizing Drive? 2017-08-10T16:48:46+00:00

Although each organizing drive is unique, they all follow the same basic steps: first, a core committee of trusted co-workers reflecting a variety of backgrounds and jobs within your workplace gathers to plan and carry out the organizing strategy with support from your organizer.

How do I track my progress of an organizing drive? 2017-08-10T16:48:10+00:00

A strong majority of the people in your workplace will need to sign a card saying that you want to join IUPAT. Your employer will never see who signs. The labour relations board will verify the cards and check that enough people have signed to initiate a vote. For further details please contact our organizing department.

How does your company become union? 2017-08-10T16:47:24+00:00

Please contact organizing department in your province.

Can my employer interfere with organizing a union? 2017-08-10T16:46:48+00:00

No, employees who feel that the employer has done something wrong, will find that the Union will almost always file the Unfair Labour Practice complaint for you. There are a number of things that an employer may not do during certification or decertification drives. Many are obvious: threats, intimidation, coercion, penalties, or promises. There are less obvious things that employers are not allowed to do, like interfere with or control the administration of a Union. The Union will provide significant help to employees who want to become or remain Unionized and will usually provide an expert or a lawyer to go to the Labour Relations Board for you.

What is a collective agreement? 2017-08-10T16:46:13+00:00

You and your coworkers will work with IUPAT staff to negotiate with your employer to create your first collective agreement, a legally binding contract between a union and an employer that sets the terms and conditions of employment. IUPAT members participate in this process by giving feedback on your top priorities for bargaining joining the bargaining committee, and voting on your contract will bring one agreed upon voice from all co workers.

When do I start paying union dues? 2017-08-10T16:45:27+00:00

You will only start to pay union dues after you and your coworkers have voted to bring in a collective agreement that brings improvements to your compensation and working conditions. Union dues are the way union members pool their resources to build collective power and to have one voice.

Can my employer become a union company without a vote? 2017-08-10T16:44:47+00:00

Yes, Voluntary recognition occurs when an employer enters a collective agreement with a union for a given unit of employees.

Is there a contact/website that has all the Labour laws in my area? 2017-08-10T16:44:03+00:00

Yes, please contact IUPAT DC 17 to be directed.

I am an employer, why should I join IUPAT? 2017-08-10T16:43:10+00:00

Forming a relationship with IUPAT will enable you to gain access to a pool of skilled workers, training, and a standardizing wage package to something fair yet predictable. This makes the costs associated with pay and benefits more predictable. Turnover is also less common, since employees generally enjoy the safety, security and a stable compensation package.

I am an employee, why should I join IUPAT? 2017-08-10T16:42:37+00:00

Workers want to form unions so they can have a voice on the job to improve their lives, their families and their communities. With IUPAT, working people win basic rights, like a say in their jobs, safety and security. IUPAT will help remedy discrimination because union contracts ensure that all workers are treated fairly and equally. When there’s a problem on the job, workers and management can work together as equals to solve it. Higher union wages translate into stronger tax bases for our communities, better schools and infrastructures and healthier local economies. And when workers have a real say in their hours and working conditions, that means they can spend more quality time with their families. IUPAT will help make sure our nation prioritizes working people’s issues: unions hold corporations accountable, make workplaces safe, protect Social Security and retirement, fight for quality health care and ensure that working people have time to spend with their families.

How do I introduce the union to my workplace? 2017-08-10T16:41:03+00:00

Start by contacting IUPAT’s organizing department: call 1-800-661 6786, but not on work time! an organizer can help you develop a plan that’s right for you and your workplace. All conversations will be kept completely confidential. Please do not discuss forming a union with anyone at work before an IUPAT organizer has advised you.